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with neighboring jefferson county in crucial battleground state. that went to barack obama by nine points in 2008. george w. bush by 4-1/2 points in 2004. we have been touring several of the 12 battleground states. as we count down to election day. we have identified more than 30 key swing counties inside those states. based on voting patterns, key issues and demographics. they're marked in yellow on this map. so all of that, that is why we're here. throughout the show tonight we'll bring you what some of the folks we talk with on arapahoe are saying about the race and the issues they care about. >> the national debt is just so overwhelming that we feel that our children, grandchildren are never going to have the opportunity to have lifestyle that we currently have. that is one of the big things. >> you worry about it. it's a concern. >> i own a small business. we had to lay off people. we think that colorado needs to get back to its roots, to become republican again. i am hopeful. >> i think i am personal going to obama. i don't think he has had a fair chance yet to really do what he wants to do
. republicans have common-sense proposals to remove these. president obama puts governments first. he wants to raise taxes on small businesses. he wants to keep our energy races under lock and key including the keystone xl pipeline. he wants more spending that will put us in debt to china. more of the same. where are the jobs that no wonder jobs are fleeing overseas. let's bring those jobs home, back to america, back to local businesses. there is one more thing i tell people. i tell them i have made restoring the american dream my life work. without it i would not be where i am today. eiger up in an under privilege neighborhood. i was the first person in my family to attend college. my mother and grandmother started cleaning the house is again when i did not have enough money for law school and my brother gave me everything he had. i would tell myself that if i ever got out of the environment i gear up when i would work hard to get others out and make it easier for them to have the same opportunities that have given me a chance to make a difference. that is why i am running for congress. it
example is every day in "the washington post," whenever there is a picture printed of barack obama or mitt romney, the picture of barack obama always has that beautiful barack obama smile on it. it's the best picture they could find of barack. and then right below it, there will be a picture of mitt romney with a sneer and he's very angry, like he's yelling at a crowd. but when, in fact, there's thousands of pictures available of mitt romney with a beautiful smile on his face and really looking positive and happy. they refuse to print those pictures. for people who don't read but just look at pictures -- there's a lot of people like that. that's one thing that the mainstream media in print, in newspapers, the "new york times," "washington post," they do it all the time. they used to find every glowing picture possible of hillary clinton that they could find. host: all right, kevin, we're going to leave it there and move on to beverly in kearney, missouri, on our democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning, peter. host: how are you? caller: i'm fine. you look nice as usual. you know,
replace to teach law. i wrote the brief against obama with the fact in mind that i have a lot of liberal friends on the cali. my colleagues and the faculty. law professors are quite compulsive but the level of the scholarship. when you read something that you want to have available to your colleagues it has to be overwhelmingly document to and fed noted. and a brief against obama there are 45 pages of footnotes and 235 pages of text. and so when i tell you anything and make a statement about the president tonight and about his record to find in a brief against a llama. and as documentation that takes you executory confine the fact that i cite, the quotations that i put forward in the arguments that i make because i have in mind that when the law school to you reconvenes. i'll leave a copy of the button each of my liberal colleagues mailbox. were actually a wonderful faculty. we stand back-to-back. there are about 50 of the other ones. that's about hair. and we have to abide by just wanted to make sure that it would stand up to the most rigorous analysis. the second part of it is, a lawye
room." >>> happening now, just two days before the first obama/romney debate and our new cnn national poll shows the president's lost, lost his post-convention bounce. but there's a different story in the battleground states. >>> mitt romney could make a huge impact on the supreme court. how he could change the direction of the court for decades. >>> they make $10 a day to put their lives on the line. but they could lose their job ifs they don't lose some weight. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're now just 36 days from the presidential election and nationally our brand-new cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows the race between president obama and governor romney remaining up for grabs. the president leads 50% to 47%. but his three-point margin is within the poll's sampling error. our chief national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaign, they b
less than two years ago as part of the surge authored by president obama had come out. the president never ceases to point out on the campaign trail and elsewhere, that he has ended the war in iraq, has ended the war in afghanistan, two years hence u.s. combat troops are expected to be pulled out of a afghanistan in 2014. so obviously this presents some problems as well as the grim facts on the ground. with these horrific green-on-blue attacks. >> how much does the president anticipate the war in afghanistan will play into the debates on wednesday? >> it's a mixed bag at this point. the president as i pointed out, frequently pointing out that he has a plan to bring american troop combat troops out of afghanistan by the end of 2014. he's talked about his success in bringing american combat troops out of iraq. he's talking about some of the successes up until recently. in endorsing the arab spring in libya and tunisia to a certain extent in egypt. but certainly the situation in libya right now, nothing more needs to be said about that. it's become a political as well as a security foot
of the meltdown of the financial sector, still at the center of the campaign in eejohnccain and barack obama, which was this date four years ago, the focus was the war. in fact, both wars. >> do you, senator mccain, much has been said about the lessons of vietnam. what do you see as the lessons of iraq? >> i think the lessons of iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy. thanks to this great general david pa tray yous, they are succeeding and winning in iraq. >>the lde into the war in the first place. six years ago i stood up and opposed this war. we hadn't finished the job in afghanistan. we hadn't caught bin laden. we hadn't put al qaeda to rest. an asecetht that it was going to be a distraction. now, senator mccain and president bush had a very different judgment. >> so that was this date, 40 days out from the election in '08 and 40 days out from the election in '04. in '04 the campaign was consumed with the debate overt ast one of our wars. 40 days out from the election in '08, in the midst of the financial meltdown the campaign was consumed with both of the wars. now it
class. >> on one hand, obama's idea, economic patriotism appears to be selling tax hikes on the wealthy, more government spending on infrastructure, also the centerpiece of a new tv ad that has the feel of a campaign closing argument. >> it is time for a new economic patriotism, rooted in the belief that growing our economy begins with a strong, thriving middle class. >> but don't let it escape you that this economic patriotism line is also an implicit hit on romney. we first hird it from ted strickland during his speech which was a rough one at the democratic convention. >> mitt has so little economic patriotism that even his money needs a passport. it summers on the beaches of the came and islands and winters on the slopes of the swiss alps. >> when it comes to next wednesday's debate, both are trying to prove their candidate will be the least articulate gap prone guy on stage. >> the president is an eloquent, gifted speaker, he will do just fine. >> mitt romney has an advantage, he has been through 20 debates in the primaries in the last year. >> barack obama is an effective debater.
, nine polls, nine leads for president obama ahead of the first debate next week. we breakdown the newest numbers facing the romney campaign in the battleground states. controversy in one of those key states, and where else but florida where allegations of voter registration fraud hit a company hired by the republican national committee. could it have happened in any other battleground? >>> and saying so long to the senate, jon kyl sits down for the latest installment in on-going conversations with senators that are saying farewell. see what he says about george w. bush and john mccain. this is "the daily rundown." i am chuck todd. let's get to the first reads of the morning. in the last two weeks, we polled in nine battleground states deciding the election. ohio, florida, virginia, colorado, iowa, wisconsin, north carolina, nevada, new hampshire. bad news for mitt romney, he doesn't lead in a single one. at best within the poll's margin of error. at worst, trails by eight points. this morning, how the nine states stack up. we said it again and again. the president's job approval rating m
today. >> the first debate the turn presidential candidates mitt romney and president barack obama is next wednesday, october october 3rd. the university of denver. watch and engage with c-span, including a live debate preview starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern fall by the domestic policy debate at 9:00 p.m. post debate reactions and comments. calls, e-mails, and tweets. follow our live coverage on c-span, c-span radio and on line at c-span.org. >> presidential debates next wednesday live on c-span, c-span radio, and on line at c-span.org. watch ending dates. pass >> on washington journal tomorrow morning and look at the issue of foreign policy in this year's campaign. our guest is nicholas burt, former undersecretary of state for political affairs. political science professor at norfolk state university will focus on the role of virginia in the election and a history of the african-american vote in virginia. we will also be joined by editor in chief of the washington monthly to discuss recent articles in the magazine examining the consumer financial protection bureau. live on c-span ev
. but yesterday president obama had spoke. he did come to the podium this is an annual event. one . things he focused on. he didn't say the word terror in regard to libya. but talked about the freedom of speech right we have in this counselry. >> i know some who ask, why don't we ban such a video. the answer is enshrined in our laws . our constitution protects the right to free speech. here in the united states, countless publicications provoke offense. like me, the majorit of the merrence are christian and yet we don't ban blasphemy on our sacred beliefs. as president of our country and commander of chief of our military i accept people call me awful things every day. and i will always defend their right to do so. >> steve: if the president continues to talk about freedom of speech we have in this country, that's true. but why the dumb movie? he kept referring to the movie as the cause of the movie. the administration said it is nootnot true. >> gretchen: i can think of countless other examples of freedom of speech . maybe he shouldn't have chosen himself of people speaking poorly approximat
of the candidates have experienced. president obama's last debate was against senator john mccain in the fall of 2008. while governor romney has had nearly two dozen debates during that gop primary. the obama campaign says the president's strategy is focused on shorter, crisper answers. the romney strategy, as reported in "the new york times" has the governor memorizing a series of zingers to try to hit the president with. let's bring in our "news nation" political panel for this monday. democratic strategist chris, national radio host michael, and also an msnbc contributor, and villa skype as you can tell from our shot there, steve, conservative radio show host. you have the visual disadvantage because you're skype. i'll let you start off first here. let me play what paul ryan, completely opposite of what chris christie said this sunday. his assessment of the debates. let's play ryan, please. >> i don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign. look, president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> it's no secret, st
be getting tougher for gop challenger mitt romney. first to iowa. president obama is 49% to mitt romney's 5%. >>> and from the columbia dispatch--this has surrogates from both parties sangled today over who's better equipped to guide the economy over the next four years. >> the president hay has created 4 million new manufacturing jobs. he says he's going to reduce the debt. doesn't say how' goegsing to do it. let's be fair here, governor romney has laid out a vision and a direction for this country. let's hold the president to the same standard as well. >> first of all, we have a deficit plan, it's got health care savings. romney doesn't have a deficit plan. he's got a plan to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires. he's got a 5 trilli$5 trillion. -- another $2 trillion in defense spending. >> just three days into the first presidential debate, meanwhile mitt romney is off to the trail. we have two reports, we begin with nbc's peter alexander, he's with the romney campaign in boston, with a good morning to you, peter. what are you hearing about all the debate preps today. he o'clock n
these figures in 2008 mean in the figures for today. let's say obama gets again 80% of the minority vote. let's say it again, to actually be competitive in this race, it would have to go up 18 points in this election. that turnout does not change despite the shift in eligibility. 26% as you can see on this chart. it is now based on a recent poll that came out. i think it is the gold standard for polls. no offense to anyone else in the room who had their own poll. they do it right and they have a 3000 person sample. it is pretty reliable stuff. they give you a lot of interesting demographic rates. this shows among likely voters that obama is leading by eight a point. if you look the averages, that is high relative to the average. the averages from about four points. probably up by five points, this is within the averages. the overall topline, look at the black black at the margin, 91 points, that seems identical with obama's margin in 2008. seventy-two among hispanics and it is not that far off. also 22 for romney. what it means is that the idea that obama could get 80% of the minority again i
reading on -- reads of the morning. president obama makes another trip to ohio. romney definitely needs to put ohio back in play. the president simile wants to put it away. >>> today romney is out with a straight-to-camera ad. the ad itself is a bit of an admission that the 478% comments have done serious damage and the attacks on his personal wealth are also sinking in. take a look at the ad. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class fami families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good-paying job. >> worth noting, that's his first candidate-to-camera ad. this morning the obama campaign have another ad out hitting on the 47% comment. this is what it looks like. >> when mitt romney dismissed 47% of americans for not pulling their weight, he attacked millions of hard-working people making $25,000, $35,000 a year $40,000 a year. romney paid just 14% last year on over $13 million in income
, mitt romney and president obama hit the same state for the third day in a row. today it's virginia. the president will speak at a rally at a virginia beach am amphitheater. as we told you yesterday, virginia is likely to be this year's florida or ohio. the state where returns will mostly resemble the national number. if you want to know how important virginia is to both campaigns, look at where they are buying their tv ads. four of the top ten most saturated tv markets in the country this week are all in virginia. roanoke lynchburg market, and now washington d.c. which of course reaches into northern virginia. three more of the top ten are in ohio. the president leads by five to eight points. today the romney campaign will focus on local issues hitting the president on defense cuts. it's clear the 47% issue is a drag on romney's campaign. he went out of his way at every stop yesterday to show a more compassionate side. >> i've been across this country. i think the president cares about the people of america. i care about the people in america but i know how to help the people of am
" article talking about the debates in which you quote "republican strategists fretting over obama's recent rise, said the debates could be the last best chance for romney to deliver a decisive blow, change the narrative and steady his campaign." that's quite a tall order, david. sounds like a level of desperation there and desperation then leads to mistakes as we've seen in the past. is that a worry at all for the romney camp? i've heard some analysts say that he needs a hail mary. i mean, is it that dramatic? >> absolutely. the romney camp won't come out and say that. everybody sort of tries to downplay expectations before these things. all eyes are on romney. he's trailing in the polls nationally and in the swing states. he said to his supporters, hey, you know, when i name a running mate and when i'm at my convention you're going to see the bumps. you haven't seen sustained bumps. this is his chance to do it. he's running out of chances. 60 member people could watch these debates. this is a big chance for him. >> the challenger gets a butch just for sharing a stage with the president in
reading on -- reads of the morning. president obama makes another trip to ohio. romneyefinitely needs to put e idtilants to put it away. >>> today romney is out with a straight-to-camera ad. the ad itself is a bit of an admission that the 478% comments have done serious damage and the attacks on his psonal wealth are also sinking in. take a look athe ad. pdeba a i both care about poor and middle-class fami families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many peoplere on welfare. we should measureompassion by how many people are able to g of wfa good-paying job. >> worth noting, that's his first candidate-to-camera ad. this morning the obama campaign have another ad out hitting on the 47% comment. wmiomismissed oo ke 47% of americans for not pulling their weight, he attacked millions of hard-working people making $25,000, $35,000 a year $40,000 a year. romney paid just 14% last year ts is the second ad earring in seven states. note, he launched his first attack in ohio and it'sot an accident. for months the obama campaign
mitt has been matching obama small ball for small ball. a hit-and-run critique here. this is important. a hit-and-run critique here, a slogan of the week there. that's what we've been saying. sam stein, there is no over arching message, no reagan message, no thatcher message, no george h.w. bush message in 1988. it's small ball. you have a libyan embassy blow up. you push him out the next morning and do something that even the romney campaign now understands was an absolute disaster. the president makes a faux pa about a bump in the road which was a stupid thing to say but they obsess over that. they say this is the message. this is how we're getting people back to work and change the economy clearly they're chasing after news headlines trying to win the day. >> that is a good way to put it. they're chasing. >> but it's weird because you can argue they're racing after the wrong news headlines. for instance we spent a couple days obsessing over a 1980s or 1990s redistribution quote from obama right? that was the news of the day for the romney campaign at that time. we gave more attentio
twcaat i mean, the democratic side, president obama, talks about the war in iraq that he ended and the war in afghanistan he is still waging a the time. he brings it up all the time. it is his republican opponent, mr. romney, who has generally ne his best to avoid the hao ct whe . credit's due. today while he still did not go there directly, at least, at last, finally, today mitt romney got close to the subject. >> we have huge numbers of our men and women that are returning from conflict that are seeking counseling, psychological counseling, and can't find tt se wn sy. and, of course, record numbers of suicides. this is a crisis. >> that was mitt romney speaking today in springfield, virginia, to the american legion. and, no, he is still not apparently able to say anything about the war directly, but at least today where u sahi th hd ioats war has produced an outcome of war. which is american war veterans. neither the war nor its veterans were mentioned, of course, in mr. romney's speech to the nation upon becoming his party's nominee for president. he's trying to fix the vet
the election. obama cowl make a gaffe. mitt would win the debates, go could send a flood to destroy all mankind. ( laughter ) so there's hope. >> schieffer: short of building an ark, what is romney's best chance. we'll ask new jersey governor chris christie, and one-time adversary, newt gingrich. so far romney is sticking to a familiar theme, but does he need to do more? >> i will lower the tax rate. he wants to creat to raise them. i'll create jobs and he'll kill them. also marsha blackburn, bob shrum, and larry sabato from the university of virginia center for politics. as we head into first presidential debate, we'll talk about the state of america at home and abroad with the distinguished panel. michelle rhee, former head of the washington, d.c. school system and founder of students first. economist mark zandi of moody analytics. bob woodward, author of "the price of politics" and hendrick smith, author of the new book "who stole the american dream?." it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schief
of ohio. president obama with a five piont lead. president clinton hinting an arm of al qaeda was behind the attacks. a wall street journal stories says companies are changing how health care will be a provided to their employees. they will give their workers a fixed amount of money and allow them to choose their own medical company. consumer spending saw the largest rise in 2011 suggesting customers are spending more at restaurants, clothing, and for health care. we will look at what the labor department found out. but we want to talk to you about your spending habits as they stand today. are you spending more, and if you are tell us why. if you want to reach out to us on social media, @cspanwj for twitter. you can always send us an e- mail. here is a story yesterday and "the wall street journal." the labor department said all areas rose last year. we will see a little bit more of the breakdown of what the labor department found out. as far as your spending habits are concerned, we are interested in getting a gauge on where you are at. give us a call and tell us why. again, on social me
decided to affirm the constitutionity of obama care. botched fast and furous program linked over 300 shooting in the new mexico. more than dozen teenagers left dead. 1300 guns are still unaccounted for. the failed program was under investigation since border agent briknow terry - briantery was killed. >> former governor said the moment he realized the house keeper. he tarted looking like me. and i kind of got it. it was never discussed. i put the things together here. >> duask mildred in >> no, i didn't. it felt like i should take on the of taking care of him and her. >> gretchen: there is more you haven't heard. tune in to "fox and friends" when arnold swarsnegar joins us live >> steve: over the weekend 2000 americans were killed in afghanistan. the president talks about on the stop his greatest achievement and that is the killing of osama bin laden. here he is in nevada over the weekend. >> al-qaida is on the path of defeat and osama bin laden is dead. sounds like he dropped the gm line. >> gretchen: the greatest accomplishment is the killing of osama bin laden so the president is
. swing states are swinging for president obama if you believe all of the polls. are they using old information to help the president? we'll explain what is going on behind the scenes. >> steve: imagine your captain say brace for impact. and a miracle described by passengers as an act of god. we'll tell you what happened on the bird right there? >> brian: the nfl cutting a deal to bring the rev revs back for tonight's game and this weekend. but will they be ready for prime time? >> gretchen: exackly. >> brian: is it possible for a rev rev to be rusty and do they know where they put their whist and he will outfits. "fox and friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪ "fox and friends". >> steve: are they outfits or uniforms or costumes. >> brian: i don't think the referrees. the inc. is not dry. >> gretchen: let's say they had all of the liverage. >> brian: i believe they didn't get everything they wanted but i think in week one we heard nothing and week two you an uproar and latest two weeks. >> steve: you nide professionals. >> gretchen: i think they will be under intense scrutiny. >> bria
. >> steve: what about 2010 and the land slide with the republicans winning be you when mr. obama had a highly motivated base of young people and latinos? which model do you follow. >> brian: we'll listen to karl rove and then we'll talk. >> when news agencies like the cbs news report the polling and it shows that barak obama leaped out to a big lead in florida and ohio. that gets inside of people's minds and they remember that and that only helps the president. >> steve: sure. >> the perceptiona this he's going to be the winner. >> steve: right. >> it was not easy to dig thel out. you have to go to the website and instrument that they fielded and big the data out of there. >> brian: even if they are weighted or using the wrong moto. president obama targeted like a lazer. he's been to ohio 29 times and multipill appearances and he hasn't tried be president for two years and mitt romney is having multiple appearances and blitwhereand get his story out. he allowed president to save i saved the autoindustry. no one talks about the dealership or jobs lost and no one talks about how the un
first caller. caller: good morning. obama and biden are cutting the military and they don't even say much about it on the news. things will be cut, especially in the navy. there are many people in afghanistan and they will go out with no retirement. as far as romney, i'm not happy with him either. host: our next call is kevin on the line from the democrats. caller: my view on paul ryan is that his health-care plan, the vouchers, it allows an increase based on inflation. in the last 10 years the cost of health care has gone up 11% per year. so it would be up to the individual voucher holder to pay the difference. this has had a tremendous impact on the votes of older people. recent polls show older people are leaving the republican party because of the direct impact of paul ryan as being chosen as vice president. host: let's hear from john in pennsylvania on the independent line. good morning. will the vice-presidential candidates impact your vote? are you there? let's try missoni in fort worth, texas. -- tony in fort worth, on the democratic line. caller: yes, i think it will impact
that the obama foreign policy is unraveling literally before our eyes on our tv screens. >> i think it interferes with the depiction that the administration is trying to convey, that al qaeda is on the wane, that everything's fine in the middle east. >> you think it's political? >> i think there are certain political overtones. how else could you trot out our u.n. ambassador to say it was spontaneous? >> maybe it was. >> five days later? that doesn't pass the smell test. it was ever ignorance or willful intelligence. >> whether you agree with him or not, senator mccain has the credibility, a war hero, with great experience in washington dealing with foreign policy, how do you think, though, paul ryan did with that? is that turning the page? did that ring true? does that ring as credible saying president obama's foreign policy is unraveling? did that work? >> there is a time and a place for everything. the day after an ambassador's death is not the time to rush out and hold a press conference in america. and by the way, i said the same thing. well, i thought democrats were shameless during the ira
that will drive us apart and the hopes that we hold in common. >> shep: tonight president obama and governor romney on where america stands. that's first from fox this tuesday night. the leader of the free world and the man who wants his job delivered big speeches today. this morning governor mitt romney addressed the crowd at the clinton global initiative here in new york city. while just across town at the united nations, president obama spoke before the united nations general assembly. it was his final u.n. address of this term. and the problems in and around the middle east dominated both speeches as the president and governor romney addressed everything from iran's nuclear program to the attack that killed our ambassador in libya. ed henry is our chief white house correspondent and toking president obama. both men really duking it out on foreign policy all of a sudden. >> that's right. one city, two candidates and two different visions. it's clear that mitt romney is charging that the president is sitting on the side line, not active enough in the middle east. the president, as you note
is mitt romney trying. >> romney: president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families, the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off of welfare and get a better job. >> cenk: problem number 2 if you have to start your ad by talking about how great your opponent is, you are in trouble. >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you have heard. i'm you. i'll go to washington, and do what you would do. i'm christine o'donnell, and i approve this message. >> cenk: on-camera ads are really dicey. what is point number 3? when you are at the bottom of the barrel how do you go below the bottom of the barrel? you go to implied and obvious racism. watch this. >> let me tell you what the big problem with this president is in my opinion. he is absolutely lazy, and detached from his job. >> cenk: okay. lazy black guy. now if it's just sununu, you might say it's just sununu. i don't remember him calling bush that. george w.
. but pointless, really. going to lose to the reds one way or another. >>> both president obama and mitt romney will be in ohio today. the story behind that swing state. >>> welcome back. take a look and you'll see that the dow futures are slightly higher. s&p futures up by close to two and a half. this comes after the market ended on its weakest levels of the day yesterday. yesterday was the worst day for the month of september for the dow. it was the worst day in two months for the nasdaq and it was the worst day in three months for the s&p 500. all of that kind of playing out overseas as well. in europe this morning, you are going to see some red arrows. a lot of concern about what's happening as protests pick up in spain, and you see more concerns coming in greece right now about austerity measures. the german dax is down by about 1.5%. the nikkei in japan was down by 2%. >>> in "sporting news," the atlanta braves are on their way to the postseason in. the boft the ninth against the marlins last night, freddy freeman connected and takes it to straight center for a walk-off homer. exciting.
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